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Tero
Author of jQuery Tools and this website + JavaScript developer of Flowplayer.

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Future of Tools

Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Sorry folks

I've been a bad open source contributor. Lazy, ignorant, absent and false promises. The latest commit on jQuery Tools master branch is from October 14, 2010 and the site has been crashing hard during the last year because of DDOS attacks. 5000+ different servers were hitting on us from Turkey. I'm happy (and sometimes sad) to see that there's a high interest on the project after all this.

This is why I must at least inform you what the heck is going on.

1.2.6

Caolan Mc Mahon has been working on this bug-fix release to make it work on all browsers and with the latest jQuery. I'll request him to answer on this thread to give the status of the update. We'll release this together with a new (static) website.

2.0

I made a decision to go with a full rewrite. The next release will be totally different and not backwards compatible. You've been warned. After writing some 1.3 code I realized that I have to take another path since technologies have advanced so much during the past year. Especially CSS. I'm actually quite motivated now since I have a clear picture on my mind. Not very much details here but one thing I can reveal: the role of CSS will increase.

Few things are granted

  • the new code will be around 40% smaller.
  • everything: the code, documentation and demos will be rewritten
  • I got a second child and I'm on 10 week break right now
  • 2.0 *will* be released at some point. I'm committed to it and I'm working on it.

I know you are all looking for deadlines. This is what hurts so let's be honest. At least 2 months for 1.2.6 and 8 months for 2.0. I try not to fail this time and give you something to see before the production release. I'll post things on this thread.

dannyb

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Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Thanks so much for this update and the project as it is to date.

Everything about 2.0 sounds exciting. Especially the motivation part. Looking forward to it.

Oh and happy father's day!

LonyLock

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Jun 1, 2011

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Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Congrats on the baby.

Is there anyway you can release an immediate interim version that's compatible with jQ 1.6.1?

Thanks.

feronovak

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» Future of Tools

Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Thank you for your status update.

It is shame it took you so long to even reply, many people have already left JQ Tools and found different alternatives. I love JQT but the problem was that there were no information on anything, not even on major quickfixes and show stoppers.

Considering that 1.2.6 would be updated in 2 months from now, based on you previous and present statements I think this is too much optimistic, I would be surprised if we see any update during the summer time. In reality, maybe around October?

I have two kids too, I know how much fun they are and how time consuming they are. I would be glad for 1.2.6 which works well and sorts all current major problems. Version 2.0 would be really miracle job in these circumstances. Enjoy your family and we shall see how JQT progress in time.

Have a nice day

coffeepunk

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Jun 20, 2011

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Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Thanks for the update! Always nice to know what's going on, even if there is no activity at all. Looking forward to the 2.0 release.

Congratulations to your second kid and your new found motivation!

Have a really nice day!

gentax

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Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Hi Tero!
finally, a lot of good news.
1.2.6 -> finally we know it'll be there. I cannot live without JQTools ;)
2.0 -> if 1.2.6 will be there soon, we can wait such a long time for a greater product as JQTools 2. css3 is a great way to approach a lot of things on the we, right now.

I also had the second baby one month ago, so ... congratulation!!!
and thanks for this so log awaited update!!!

Yar1

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Jul 13, 2010

You are amazing - what the heck are you apologizing for?

Posted: Jun 20, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Amazing library like no other, great site and documentation, the no-license license. Just incredible. Looking forward to the future and great to hear you're still at it (heard a rumor development was canceled so it's good to know I can go on building appplications using jquerytools). Thanks!

Tero
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Posted: Jun 24, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Alex Libby is giving a helping hand for 1.2.6.

He started a new thread.

http://flowplayer.org/tools/forum/20/67056

lethux

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» » Future of Tools

Posted: Jul 2, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
congrats for the newborn. I have two too :)

Are you planning in 1.2.6 or 2 to implement these features?
- time picker (integrated in the datepicker)
- possibility to change step in slideers to manage different bases (ie hours, conversione with multiple sliders...)

thanks.

Tero
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Posted: Jul 3, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from lethux
sorry, but no plans for those.

creativeboulder
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Future of Tools

Posted: Jul 15, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
@Tero This is great to hear. I can say that I have successfully included these jQuery Tools into many of projects. I really appreciate the work you and other collaborators have done. My company is just a small web development firm, but we do get involved personally with open source projects. Maybe we can get involved, especially since we have spent so much time using the Tools. I could see us being at the least, helpful.

Cheers and thanks for the update!

alibby

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Posted: Jul 15, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from jcanfield
Hi creativeboulder,

I'm Alex - yep: the Alex mentioned above, who's helping Tero with getting the next version out; I also posted that long post about the future of jQuery Tools.

If you're looking to help - I would love some help with testing and / or bug fixing; our current plans are to work with getting an overall view of what is or not working with the current dev version of 1.2.6, using jQuery 1.6.2.

So far most of my tests seem to indicate that it works OK with FF5 and IE9 - Tero prefers to stick with latest browsers, and less so with older ones (particularly IE6!). If you're up for it, would you be happy to help at least test compatibility please? I know that some people have already done tests and logged reports - have a check through the forums for anything relating to jQuery 1.6.2., such as this link:http://flowplayer.org/tools/forum/45/67901. (EDIT: I'm working on Windows only - I don't have access to Macs).

I'm using the current demos on the site, and simply replacing the appropriate links to jQuery and jQuery Tools. An area I'm beginning to find not working so well is Validator - the current site demos don't have the "novalidate" fix on them, so if you're happy to have a look at these in particular, then you will need to add this in. (I believe it's already logged in Github for fixing).

I am planning to go through Github and identify anything that needs attention - I was hoping not to do this before testing each part of jQuery Tools with 1.2.6 / 1.6.2, so I have a clear picture of what is working.

Does this help? Any questions - please do shout.

Alex.

EDIT: Another link relating to testing for 1.2.6 -http://flowplayer.org/tools/forum/20/68013

Ahmad
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Congtrats

Posted: Jul 27, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Congrats for the baby :)

jQuery tools is teh HOTTY I use whenever I need UI elements.

Looking forward for version 2.0

Don't listen to haters, take the time you need ^^

therareearth

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Jul 27, 2011

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Posted: Jul 27, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Hi

I want to know if I could place a jquery-xml multimedia gallery in a tab page. I have tried doing it but its not working. Can someone please help me with this issue

Prem Aman

Tero
Author of jQuery Tools and this website + JavaScript developer of Flowplayer.

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» Future of Tools

Posted: Aug 17, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Here is a little status update.

  • 2 month break is over and back on the laptop
  • during the break while my kids were sleeping I did manage to write JQT 2.0 :)
  • approx. 70% smaller codebase! seriously.
  • the website and demos needs to be done == ~80% still undone
  • two separate launches: tools & form tools. form tools not ready yet

I'm happy.

Zazou

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Posted: Aug 21, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
I'm happy that JQT 2.0 is written! Is there any possibility of knowing what sort of features will remain, and which ones will be rewritten, and maybe which ones will come back (I still go back to JQT 1.1 sometimes, for the size feature, which is sorely missed).
I've been waiting impatiently for this. :)
Thanks for all your hard work!

mudimo
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» » Future of Tools

Posted: Aug 21, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Fantastic news, been supporting Alibby in getting an interim v1.2.6 out now, but it's exciting news about v2.0 :) I guess this means a website re-write, bring it on!

Tero
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Posted: Aug 22, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Biggest changes include

- Toolbox will be dropped
- CSS3 transitions in favor to jQuery animate / fadeTo / fadeIn etc.
- method and property names will change so that they are consistent across tools
- Different kind of default HTML layouts

So 2.0 will definitely *not* be backwards compatible. That's for sure.

feronovak

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Posted: Aug 22, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Any chance of some date? Thanks

richardc

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Posted: Sep 8, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
"Toolbox will be dropped"

Does that mean Expose is going away?

Also, thanks for all your hard work! I'm a recent Tools convert, I discovered it after wrestling with JQuery UI's dialogs for far too long. JQuery Tools' Overlay did exactly what I was looking for with no wrestling whatsoever.

tvgenesis

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Posted: Sep 21, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
testing

limi

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Posted: Nov 8, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Any updates on v2? We're in the process of making the decision to stay with jQueryTools for our project or to move to something else -- and from the outside, the project looks abandoned.

Any chance you could work in the open using Github or similar, so people can see that there's activity when you are working on it?

From the outside perspective, it's a bit worrying that the project stops when a single individual runs out of time, and while we really love jQuery Tools, we also have to make sure it's a sustainable choice for us in the future.

And again, don't take this the wrong way -- just trying to make some constructive suggestions to make it easier to figure out what's going on and to follow the current development.

Thanks for your great work!

limi

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Posted: Nov 9, 2011

Reply to: » » » Future of Tools, from limi
(and just for the record, I know about 1.2.x being on Github, I just couldn't see any reference to the 2.0 version anywhere)

firefusion

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Posted: Nov 9, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from tipiirai
CSS3 Transitions are very cool but will it fallback to jQuery for older browsers?

dannyb

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Jun 27, 2010

wow

Posted: Aug 21, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
That's awesome news! Looking forward to this. Thanks for all the hard work.

stpetebill

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Question on transition to 2.0 in future

Posted: Sep 23, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
First off thanks for the time and effort you're putting into these releases.

When you say not backwards compatible, can you describe how we would transition from 1.2.6 to 2.0? We are using JQT on many many pages and having to manually alter all that code puts the fear of jeebus into me.

Are you envisioning 1.2.6 and 2.0 playing nice with one another so we can just deprecate the older JQT as the pages expire?

gercheq

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Nov 1, 2011

Multiple Instances

Posted: Nov 1, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
I think the API needs to be improved and all the widgets needs to be loosely coupled. Having multiple instances of tooltips, overlays, etc. is pretty common in my apps.

For example, "validation of a form in an overlay with manual tooltips with a link inside that triggers another overlay" should be able implemented easily. With one global API object and DOM level tooltips make it so hard to keep track of relations.

Thanks for the great work so far.

KZeni

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Posted: Nov 3, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Interesting... CSS3 transitions... IE9 doesn't support those yet so that might extend the life of jQuery Tools 1.x while allowing (and even pushing) people to use more modern technologies with 2.x. I just want to say that I wish you the best in getting this update released.

Keep up the fantastic work as this has been my go-to library for its various components. Also, who can forget about the breakthrough in unified & accessible web video that Flowplayer lead the way for.

RAMR

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Nov 12, 2011

translate.google

Posted: Nov 12, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Sorry to bring bad news, but if you use the translate.google, google does not work literally takes up the tabs and their contents, or does not show well.

Those users (which are few who have installed google bar ... possibly not be able to access content from web sites that implement tabs)

alibby

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Posted: Nov 12, 2011

Reply to: translate.google, from RAMR
Hi,

Do you have a demo of this available please, that I can see?

Thanks.

tonylock

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» Future of Tools

Posted: Nov 14, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
It's been a good 5 months since your opening message.
When exactly will we have the next version released?

You've been tempting us for too long now.

feronovak

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Posted: Nov 22, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from tonylock
You would be naive if you waited for this. I have used JQTools heavily before but I have migrated away completely, it just was huge pain to plan and develop anything with JQTools if you wanted to use newer versions of Jquery.

Find best components for what you need and switch. I have learned one thing with JTQ. Always check history of development cycle and activity so you know whether you can rely on it in you commercial projects.

gentax

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Posted: Nov 22, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from feronovak
I'm using JQTools in all my current projects ( http://www.elitemodellook.com http://www.goldtyphoon.com and a new one in the final cycle release, this last one with query 1.7.1) and the part of JQT i'm using are all well performing.
At the moment, I use tabs, overlay, scrollable, time, validator (with some workaround) and I'm happy with them!
The choose of a framework or another depend strongly on what you have to do...

but I'd like to know something about JQT2 from Tero!!!

damon

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Posted: Dec 7, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from tonylock
he said 8 months for JQT2 5 months ago, which means I wouldn't bother chomping at the bit over it!

Elf King

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Future of Tools

Posted: Dec 7, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Hi Tero:

I have used jQuery Tools in my website extensively, I think it is an amazing API. I love the design philosophy behind it too.

I just read about this DDOS attack on your servers which is definitely annoying. I run a software security company and we are about to release a very cool WAF.

I'd like to extend the WAF service to jQuery Tools website for free as a sponsor. If that is of interest, send me an email at my email address in my account.

Best regards

Me :-)

feronovak

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Any update?

Posted: Dec 13, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Hi,

I know what it is to have child, even two and they are huge fun but it is also very time consuming.

However, given your 8 month period for new JQT I wonder whether this is still real date or you havent touched it at all.

I had few projects likehttp://www.bazarovky.sk where I had to remove some parts of JQT and change them for slidejs, but still using JQT heavily for tabs and modal windows. However it seems that there are more and more plugins which are not much compatible with your JQT because of JQuery version or other issue.

I would really have all in one solution but if it isnt to be, that's fine. But some update would be greatly appreciated.

amcgltd

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» Future of Tools

Posted: Dec 13, 2011

Reply to: Future of Tools, from tipiirai
Hi,

With jQuery version 1.7.1 now out I have to ask: will we see an update is it time to move on? And if there will be an update, when?

alibby

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Posted: Dec 14, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from amcgltd
Hi amcgltd,

I'm going to be starting to test against jQuery 1.7.1 in the next few days - I unfortunately have some constraints I have to sort out in terms of publishing updates, but will at least do what I can to confirm compatibility with jQuery Tools 1.2.6...

mudimo
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Posted: Dec 15, 2011

Reply to: » Future of Tools, from amcgltd
Have my site http://www.okwellbeing.com/ running w/jQTools 1.2.6 & jQuery 1.7.1 & all the UI Tools > Tabs/Tooltip/Scrollable/Overlay.

So far, no additions to the already recorded issues.

alibby

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Posted: Dec 15, 2011

Reply to: » » Future of Tools, from mudimo
Thanks Mudimo - this may have just saved me a lot of work!

amcgltd

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Nov 25, 2010

Thank you alibby and mudimo

Posted: Dec 16, 2011

Reply to: » » » Future of Tools, from alibby
Thanks guys, I am doing some testing on my side as I upgrade a few client sites, I'll report any issues I find